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Will the 2020s be a better decade than the 2010s?


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Pointless Pedant

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I think the problem at hand (at least the way that I see it) is that the corporations and the bigwigs at the top have gotten extremely powerful thanks to trickle-down economics, while a significant portion of the Millennial generation and the social media woke-scolds have leaned full into communism, anarchism, and "Democratic Socialism" (not Social Democracy) that is filtered through an intersectional identity politics lens.

The real kicker is that the same corporate bigwigs that have too much power thanks to decades of trickle-down economics have also been spending the better part of this decade bending over backwards to appease the very loud vocal minority on social media (the same ones who hate capitalism) because they think the loudest voice in the room is the majority and so the media and the culture have gone to shit as a result.

So, we're in a weird situation where the 2010's West is dominated by corporatism on the economic level and left-wing identity politics on the social/cultural level. It's the closest we've gotten to the "Worst of Both Worlds" without going into full-on totalitarianism.

That being said, given how this year has been turning out, I think 2019-2020 are going to be the major turning point for the SJW cultural zeitgeist, the proverbial darkest hour before the dawn.
You're a lot closer than most to summarising the situation. I wouldn't say it's as much that corporations think that radical progressives are the majority as that they think they can try to mollify the left's distaste for them by superficial pandering that doesn't actually get in the way of their profits. The far right's moaning about "cultural Marxism" often completely misses the point because "woke" media like Marvel comic films are written that way to maximise profit (by attracting a black audience with black characters, for instance), and because most of the population aren't far right spergs this is a profitable strategy. YouTube's crackdown on controversial content is a crude attempt to not drive away advertisers and included demonetisation of completely apolitical channels like The Great War - not a precisely targeted attack on the far right, though of course the YouTube staff despise them.
 

Ashy the Angel

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The result of people realising this may amusingly be a lot of the far right essentially turning into racist socialists; I've seen various comments about National Bolshevism, and given that the far right's grasp of economics tends to be tenuous at best it's easy to imagine them advocating seizure of the means of production as long as they can kill the Jews afterwards.
Watching right-wingers slowly realize that capitalism is not their friend has been incredibly painful. Its like after going full retard with Trump didn't work they either got blackpilled or finally started paying attention to who's really pulling the strings. They'll still fail because "socialism, but only for white guys" is an absurd idea but its sort of amusing nonetheless.
 

Pointless Pedant

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Watching right-wingers slowly realize that capitalism is not their friend has been incredibly painful. Its like after going full exceptional individual with Trump didn't work they either got blackpilled or finally started paying attention to who's really pulling the strings. They'll still fail because "socialism, but only for white guys" is an absurd idea but its sort of amusing nonetheless.
You need to distinguish conservatives from the far right here. Capitalism works fine for most of the middle class boomers who make up the core of Republican voters, and they support it. The far right are turning against it because they're a bunch of dumb spergs who can't really succeed in life under any system and blame it on the one that currently exists.
 

Syaoran Li

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The far right are turning against it because they're a bunch of dumb spergs who can't really succeed in life under any system and blame it on the one that currently exists.
Indeed, and that inability to accept responsibility for one's own failure in life is a trait that is shared by both far right spergs and far left spergs.

Ashy's the kind of person who bitches about capitalism and loves communism, but is also the kind of pretentious punk rock loser chud who'd be either sent to the gulag or put up against the wall the moment he stopped being useful for the ruling party. He's not really any different from a /pol/ tard who whines about degenerates but jerks off to traps and lolis.

Honestly, it's a trait he and many other commie trannies share in common with /pol/ tards. They both idolize brutal and oppressive systems of government (Communism on the far left, Nazism/Fascism on the far right) that would violently dispose of them if it was implemented in the present day.

Ironically, liberal capitalism and social democracy are the only systems that either /pol/ tards or Millennial leftists could exist in and not worry about getting murdered by the ruling party (whether by gulag, death camp, summary execution, etc.) simply for existing.

Despite what Woke Twitter and the Alt-Right will tell you, there is no concerted effort to enact white genocide or systemically murder trannies (not even the trannies of color)* because as long as they pay their taxes, consume the product, and don't rock the boat, the capitalist system doesn't give a shit about your identity.

All those Gender Studies professors and punk albums lied to Ashy and many others like him when it comes to the real horror of capitalism. It's not oppression that's the problem, but indifference. However, mass indifference and short-sighted incompetence is not the same as deliberate oppression. The core problem is incompetence and indifference, not outright malevolence or bigotry. With the problems of trickle-down capitalism, Hanlon's Razor is in full effect.

*-Hell, the transgender suicide rate alone is proof that trans people are more of a threat to themselves than capitalism is and even among "trans women of color", the murder rate is low in the United States, with nearly all of the homicides that do occur being illegal sex workers, which is a profession with an extremely high homicide rate across all gender and racial lines
 
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Dom Cruise

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One thing I hope is that we'll actually be able to look back and laugh at the 2010s the same way people used to laugh at the 1970s.

That safely detached from it the culture of the 2010s will over time grow a campy charm thanks to it's ridiculousness, that everyone will be able to laugh and go "man, what did we think we were trying to pull?" when it's all safely over with.

I picture future Halloween costumes that instead of "hippy" are "Social Justice Warrior" complete with blue wig, problem glasses etc.
 

Syaoran Li

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I'm curious if the left will go moderate again like they did in 1992 after they failed with Mondale and Dukakis in 2020. It always seems you try twice before realizing shit isn't working.
I think they will, but it will be a lot more chaotic since we have an entire broken generation (Millennials, and to a lesser extent, Early Zoomers) so it may take three losses for the Democrats to fully break the Woke Left once and for all. If they lose 2020, it will definitely wound the far left in America to a near-mortal degree, but they won't go quietly or peacefully and I think it will take a third major defeat (either the 2022 midterms or 2024) to kill it for good unless something major happens in 2020-2021, like Antifa taking part in a high-profile murder or a leftist going for the high score and getting enough of a body count that the media can't easily memory hole it like they did with Castle Rock or the recent uptick in violence done by Black Hebrew Israelites.

Given the insanity of the 2010's, I think the Left will go moderate again if they take more major losses, but I don't think losing 2020 will be enough for the DNC unless Antifa gets their own version of Unite The Right or some SJW whackjob pulls a Christchurch. However, a big loss in 2022 or 2024 would be the final nail in the coffin.

However, I do think a 2020 loss will mortally wound woke culture in the long run. The neoliberal corporations will have failed to control the narrative and as more woke media tanks and loses money, they'll cut the line but it will be a very subtle and gradual shift much like the shift from the edgy pop culture of the "Turn of the Millennium" to the woke pop culture of "Current Year" unless a major tragedy like the one I just described earlier happens.
 

Ligoskj

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If the society will return to its former centrist politics the US and pretty much all European countries had had in the 90s, then the 2020s will be genuinely a good decade. I'm pretty sure a lot of sane people, including some moderate left-wing politicans, are fed up with a current PC culture. Nothing is eternal, the death or at least a noticeable decline of the PC, LGBT and 3rd wave feminism culture is just a matter of time.
EDIT: *there were some pointless complaints of mine. I decided to remove this text because of being completely offtopic
 
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MagneticTowels

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is there any sane reason why so many American/West European users are trying to hang all their troubles on Russia or the Russian people, specifically in this case (I mean, the homosexualization of the western pop culture, the rise of radical feminism, the things Russia has nothing to do with at all)? Is it a genetical phobia or most of the western conservatives are actually in solidarity with the democrats in their hatred of the Russians?
http://shoebat.com/2018/11/18/macki...-the-practical-western-obsession-with-russia/
 

Ligoskj

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MagneticTowels, I had already read this article. It doesn't say anything new about the West's obsession with Russia, and therefore that's not an answer to why some Kiwi Farms users are anti-Russian. But thank you for taking your time for sending a reply.
 
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Stuck in Corners

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When the presidential election this november hits will be of a concerning point of this decade. When Trump got elected in 2016, the culture flipped out and had made everyone lose their mind and as a result of his presidency had created a whole set of disastrous byproducts, problems, and events that have consumed and eroded the culture socio-politically(i.e #MeToo movement, ANTIFA, The Alt-Right, cancel culture/woke culture, Charlottesville riot and aftermath, 2A issue in Virginia, media bias, Epstein, big techs mass censorship,and other subcultures surrounding these topics). These issues have become so tiresome i often find myself growing quite fond of the past before this crazy cultural chaos train just wishing this would just stop, but it keeps on going and going with no hopes of slowing down.

Trump re-election or not, i have a feeling the train will increase it's speed, derail itself with broken brakes and will destroy anything in its path leaving the landscape broken beyond repair
 

queerape

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If the society will return to its former centrist politics the US and pretty much all European countries had had in the 90s, then the 2020s will be genuinely a good decade. I'm pretty sure a lot of sane people, including some moderate left-wing politicans, are fed up with a current PC culture. Nothing is eternal, the death or at least a noticeable decline of the PC, LGBT and 3rd wave feminism culture is just a matter of time.
EDIT: *there were some pointless complaints of mine. I decided to remove this text because of being completely offtopic
Well, if you’re in Eagleland, you have you pick of Biden and Buttigieg at the polls because they’re the left wing moderates who are campaigning on doing exactly that.

I’m starting to think that’s really the only way back to sanity. Trumpism/adjacent types and SJWism are two sides of the same cancer, they feed each other so one can never defeat the other. Kill one and the other dies as it has no fuel, no raison d être. Trumpists cant rail against SJWs that don’t exist restricting their freedoms, and SJWs can’t rail against non existent Trumpists restricting their rights
 

Ligoskj

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Well, if you’re in Eagleland, you have you pick of Biden and Buttigieg at the polls because they’re the left wing moderates who are campaigning on doing exactly that.
I'm not, but my country, just like any other European state is hugely influenced by American culture and politics.
And I wouldn't really call Biden a left-wing moderate, his views and ideology are not that different from everything that Obama (who wasn't moderate either) did, even if Biden doesn't display this openly.
 
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Senior Lexmechanic

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I'm not, but my country, just like any other European state is hugely influenced by American culture and politics.
And I wouldn't really call Biden a left-wing moderate, his views and ideology are not that different from everything that Obama (who wasn't moderate either) did, even if Biden doesn't display this openly.
They're US moderates, pinko. Stop trying to cram our politics into your boxes and we'll stop calling all of your politicians commies.
 

Ligoskj

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They're US moderates, pinko. Stop trying to cram our politics into your boxes and we'll stop calling all of your politicians commies
I can say whatever I want. Wanna call our politicians the communists? Go ahead, pinko, I don't care, you won’t become any smarter than that anyways
P.S. I love how you and your lover Autist Equinox are not capable of making a decent response and just throwing at me your shitty "Mad at the Internet" icons
 
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MAPK phosphatase

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Trump's election demonstrated that the decline of civil society (I mean the community between the individual and the state, I don't mean polite society) has broadened to the right. This is troubling. A large portion of the country feels alone, lost, and disconnected from their community. When this happens they turn to the state to solve their problems. However as has been repeatedly shown throughout history radical centralization of power doesn't work. One person can only know the wants and needs of so many other people. Distributed power through local communities is far better, as local communities can respond faster and with higher fidelity to local problems than federal agencies can.

I see this degradation as a trend that will only continue to grow. As there is a greater and greater disconnect from local communities more and more people will be turning towards centralized power, towards the state, as the solution to their problems. People will continue to deify leaders rather than view them as people, people will continue to defend people based on tribal alignment rather than virtue. This will cause the defense of worse mistakes, which will let these leaders get away with more horrible shit. I don't think we're going to get textbook socialism or nazism or fascism, but whatever it is it won't be good. Centralized power at scale doesn't work.

Our democracy has lost its virtue, and a democracy without virtue is a tyranny, one way or another.
 
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