Star Wars Griefing Thread (Formerly about Last Jedi) - It's nothing like Empire... like.... at all, we promise

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"Yeah we are taking this franchise FAR away from George Lucas's failures and in a bold new direction since obviously no star wars fan wants to see that hack has anything to do with the new series"
I suppose Disney did something nobody else was able to accomplish: making people actually nostalgic for Lucas's prequel trilogy.
 

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I wonder why this guy privated his account

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>Rian Johnson's new movie bombed and his Episode 8 stuff is getting erased

Oh now the expectations are on the other subverted foot.
Knives Out will likely do well. The rest is valid thou

Yeah, wouldn't want to make sure your subordinates actually understand the mission or anything, that's only something toxic males do. Even in ESB Leia explains to the fighter escorts on Hoth what they're supposed to do instead of just telling them to shut up and fly. Was Pablo always this much of a tool in pre-Disney LFL?
He just was an autistic wikipedia normy
 

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Yeah, wouldn't want to make sure your subordinates actually understand the mission or anything, that's only something toxic males do. Even in ESB Leia explains to the fighter escorts on Hoth what they're supposed to do instead of just telling them to shut up and fly. Was Pablo always this much of a tool in pre-Disney LFL?
Plus even if you grant the premise that she doesn’t have to tell him, the movie does not treat this as if it were a mistake, despite the fact that it had catastrophic consequences that played out right on screen.

It treats her like she knew what she was doing to whole time, even as she’s in the process of fucking everything up and leading them into an inescapeable trap.
 

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Plus even if you grant the premise that she doesn’t have to tell him, the movie does not treat this as if it were a mistake, despite the fact that it had catastrophic consequences that played out right on screen.

It treats her like she knew what she was doing to whole time, even as she’s in the process of fucking everything up and leading them into an inescapeable trap.
Also: Thats not how Military Chains of Command work.

If one of you your top subordinates act out you do this

 

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Also: Thats not how Military Chains of Command work.

If one of you your top subordinates act out you do this

Ah, I miss those days when adults acted like adults even in media.

None of the TLJ spergs even came close. Except maybe that brief moment between Luke and Leia at the very end.
 

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Ah, I miss those days when adults acted like adults even in media.

None of the TLJ spergs even came close. Except maybe that brief moment between Luke and Leia at the very end.
Poe made a massive tactical mistake, BUT he still commands the fighter wing.

Even a line saying "We have reason to believe our internal communications have been compromised. So General Organa kept this plan down to a small number of people. I am the only one who is still alive other then her. I need you to trust me"

but then the movie wouldnt happen
 

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Poe made a massive tactical mistake, BUT he still commands the fighter wing.

Even a line saying "We have reason to believe our internal communications have been compromised. So General Organa kept this plan down to a small number of people. I am the only one who is still alive other then her. I need you to trust me"

but then the movie wouldnt happen
What tactical mistake did he make? The Pizza Ship had a big gun that could blow up their ships, and with it gone, they could very slowly limp away from the enemy fleet. If it was still there, it'd have blown them out of space. The clunky expository dialogue of "it's a fleet killer" is evidence that destroying it was the right call.

The only failures made were in the bomber formation and the hardware used, as well as insufficient resources being committed to that attack.
 

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Poe made a massive tactical mistake, BUT he still commands the fighter wing.

Even a line saying "We have reason to believe our internal communications have been compromised. So General Organa kept this plan down to a small number of people. I am the only one who is still alive other then her. I need you to trust me"

but then the movie wouldnt happen
If Poe hadn't made his "massive mistake" the entire Resistance would have been destroyed. This is the type of exceptional individual logic TLJ defenders use. It's fucking pathetic.
 

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And he knew the Hardware was trash and he committed to it

and he could have been more conservative and also got BTFO.,.....and also be blamed for a tactical error

thats what commanders do to subordinate commanders
I don't think he got to pick and choose what resources he was assigned. If he did, then he's a dumbass for using stupid ships made out of explosives and paper, but the people who built those vehicles were even dumber anyway. Y-Wings had existed for 60 years by that point in the timeline, it's not like they're esoteric, impossibly advanced experimental craft.
 

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If Poe hadn't made his "massive mistake" the entire Resistance would have been destroyed. This is the type of exceptional individual logic TLJ defenders use. It's fucking pathetic.
You can only explain the movies logic with the standards it uses. And then you point out that doesnt make sense

Poe made a "Massive Mistake" the movie said so
Poe Disagreed and the movie says poe was wrong for doing so

It was dumb but SW breaks down when it talks about actual military tactics

I don't think he got to pick and choose what resources he was assigned. If he did, then he's a dumbass for using stupid ships made out of explosives and paper, but the people who built those vehicles were even dumber anyway. Y-Wings had existed for 60 years by that point in the timeline, it's not like they're esoteric, impossibly advanced experimental craft.
I mean we can't blame the Republic leaders for poor funding? They got blown up last movie
We can't blame Leia?
So poe has to take the blame
 

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You can only explain the movies logic with the standards it uses. And then you point out that doesnt make sense

Poe made a "Massive Mistake" the movie said so
Poe Disagreed and the movie says poe was wrong for doing so

It was dumb but SW breaks down when it talks about actual military tactics



I mean we can't blame the Republic leaders for poor funding? They got blown up last movie
We can't blame Leia?
So poe has to take the blame
So you want to justify something stupid with tard logic. The movie said he's bad, ergo he's bad, even though if you look at it factually, you can clearly see he's right. Also, those five planets that exploded were the whole Republic. Really. All of them.

The thing is, sure, SW somewhat breaks down if you really start to look into the physics of space combat, but the universe has its own internal and consistent rules. These rules were broken in TLJ, which basically makes any logical analysis of it fail as there are no rules to try and predict alternate scenarios from. Things just happen because they do, no explanation given.

Without any solid rules of the universe remaining, defaulting to what little shit has been thrown at the audience by exposition rather than by the testimonies of tards seems to be the best way to analyze the situation.
 

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So apparently Iger announced that the movies will go on hiatus, meaning there’s no movies for 2022.

This is amusing that it comes right before TROS.
 

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So you want to justify something stupid with tard logic. The movie said he's bad, ergo he's bad, even though if you look at it factually, you can clearly see he's right. Also, those five planets that exploded were the whole Republic. Really. All of them.
I wasnt saying he was bad, the movie did. We have to work with the movie we were given not a movie that makes sense when discussing it.
The thing is, sure, SW somewhat breaks down if you really start to look into the physics of space combat, but the universe has its own internal and consistent rules. These rules were broken in TLJ, which basically makes any logical analysis of it fail as there are no rules to try and predict alternate scenarios from. Things just happen because they do, no explanation given.

Without any solid rules of the universe remaining, defaulting to what little shit has been thrown at the audience by exposition rather than by the testimonies of tards seems to be the best way to analyze the situation.
Basically its "Bad writing"

Why didnt george have the death star plans stole in the first movie? because that wasnt a interesting story and the story structure and world would break down
 

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I wasnt saying he was bad, the movie did. We have to work with the movie we were given not a movie that makes sense when discussing it.


Basically its "Bad writing"

Why didnt george have the death star plans stole in the first movie? because that wasnt a interesting story and the story structure and world would break down
If you take everything said at verbatim, you will never notice a discrepancy.

Also, Lucas probably didn't have the Death Star plans stolen in the first movie because it'd clutter the narrative.
 

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If you take everything said at verbatim, you will never notice a discrepancy.

Also, Lucas probably didn't have the Death Star plans stolen in the first movie because it'd clutter the narrative.
In a early draft he did and george came to the [correct] conclusion

But if you just take the text as words you lose out on interesting Analysis

So Rian Johnson is saying Superhero Leia punished a subordinate for things beyond his control [and likely hers]? And he wants her to be viewed as right to do that. He did the same thing with Holdo. If you dont take the movie on its word then you don't see what the trash writers are trying to do
 
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So Rian Johnson is saying Superhero Leia punished a subordinate for things beyond his control [and likely hers]? And he wants her to be viewed as right to do that. He did the same thing with Holdo. If you dont take the movie on its word then you don't see what the trash writers are trying to do
So now you're saying the actions of Poe were entirely justified?
 
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So now you're saying the actions of Poe were entirely justified?
I never said they werent

I said the MOVIE said they werent [even though that didnt make sense] and you need to judge the movies internal logic by the standard it sets for itself to be able to suss out the deeper meanings of the story and narrative

further [Leia blaming Poe for something beyond his control, and the movie wanting poe to be viewed as wrong] Ties in with Rian's theme about how the Military Industrial Complex is the real villian [Not the dark side] and how the Military Industrial complex manipulates both sides of the war. Poe was wrong for participating in a rigged game.

"D.J" Don't join.
 
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