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Senior Lexmechanic

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I'm finding it harder and harder to really respect people who are anti-LGBT and I'm worried I'll come off an "lol triggered libtard faggot" or something.

Just today I got curious about someone I used to look up to (won't name them, they used to expose people like kphoria and the owner of a sonic porn site), and I stumbled across this video of an LGBT artist from Indonesia's info being leaked and shit, and they were recording / partaking in a server raid, full of really edgy anti-LGBT memes.

the video in question

I know the situation in this video is eons old, and I know this is just going to make me sound oversensitive, but I feel like I have a right to be disgusted. I know, I know, not everybody is going to "UwU ur all valid we love you" but... IDK, the more people I see doing horrible shit, the less respect I have for homophobes. I used to be right-leaning and now I feel like my views on things have made a 180. I just find people who are accepting with open arms, or even just tolerant, more pleasant to be around. I don't want to spiral into one of those lesbians, but the more grueling garbage I see, the more I side with them. I'm scared of just being seen as just a delicate little flower who can't handle these things.
I mean, I don't think there's really a problem there unless you start going "these people are horrible and we should actively seek out and persecute them". I can understand religious condemnation to a degree, but people who treat being LGBT as if it's the Mark of Cain that makes you fair game for infinitely horrible treatment.
 

CynicalGardevoir

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I mean, I don't think there's really a problem there unless you start going "these people are horrible and we should actively seek out and persecute them". I can understand religious condemnation to a degree, but people who treat being LGBT as if it's the Mark of Cain that makes you fair game for infinitely horrible treatment.
Don't worry, I've always believed that if you really want shit done and want to fight against negative stigmas, don't bite back in hurtful ways. It's always good to try to peacefully be better than the people you don't like.
 

Cactus Wings

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Same goes for SJWs; it's difficult to give that much of a rat's ass about someone who lives and breathes toxicity. It's one thing to stand up for yourself once confronted, "hey fag!" and alike, but to actively seek out hateful platforms (like KF :) ) to engage in these kind of dialogues is absurd. It'd be like a black man purposefully laying his route to work through a closed community of white rich folk.

Why sexuality matter that much? To validate your personality-enhancing labels, rather than develop a hobby or something you're passionate about? "Look, I weaved that new Pokemon onto a shirt :) " as opposed to "DAE hate white men? Lmaooo 😂🤣"
Don't worry, I've always believed that if you really want shit done and want to fight against negative stigmas, don't bite back in hurtful ways. It's always good to try to peacefully be better than the people you don't like.
To give in and listen to reason is a sign of weakness and unwillingness to believe in your own agenda, according to these toxic frog-haired types. The black guy who befriended KKK knew they were objectively wrong, so he had nothing to lose by 'lowering' himself, but these non-binary nutjobs either feel oppressed to the point that lowering themselves would be to go underground, or are so angsty and pissed that they don't want to meet on mutual ground; they want to win on their terms.

We currently have a large feministic property in our capital being brigaded and blocked out by trans protestors, basically saying anyone homo- or bisexual is a TERF, and they've somehow gained ownership of the official LGBTQ Facebook account; "celebrating" the first gay couple that got married here while they would've been stamped TERFs and hatecrime'd on, had they been alive today.
 

CynicalGardevoir

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"Wah, homosexuals and bisexuals are TERF"

sorry for wanting the real thing and not having to tap-dance around stupid bullshit

one thing I fear is dating a woman who suddenly thinks "nah I'm nb and use he/him pronouns but still gonna use lesbian anyway because it's a cute label"

I know it's a dumbass thing to worry about but what's the point of labels if you're going to mix and match? Also, oh wah, people got preferences. Scoundrels.

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I believe the reason there's a lot more "trans" people nowadays is because of the constant media exposure causing a lot of people questioning their identity and not understanding dysphoria is what causes people to be ACTUALLY trans. Not abiding by roles do not make you trans, and your "dysphoria" ("I don't like having long hair!" or "I'm a guy who likes Barbies" doesn't count) may not even be... actual dysphoria. It's just your confusion due to learning all these new fancy terms.
 

Kacchan

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I really want to seem less transphobic, but when you see so many people that don't want to take the effort to pass (or even take the effort to not complain at every waking moment), it's really hard not to be. If you're trans, I'll think of you as the gender you switch to, but don't complain about it all the time.
 

Surf and TERF

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one thing I fear is dating a woman who suddenly thinks "nah I'm nb and use he/him pronouns but still gonna use lesbian anyway because it's a cute label"
The nice thing about these women is that they almost always associate with or loudly sympathize with the gender extremists, so you probably wouldn’t be attracted to them anyway.

The sad thing is, TRAs are always itching to swoop in and convert anyone who admits to behaving in some way that is stereotypical of the opposite sex, and lesbians seem particularly vulnerable to this manipulation.

My personal take is that it’s caused by an underlying belief that lesbians are not real. Gay men are easy to believe in, but gay women are somehow too far-fetched of a concept. So much of female identity is tied into being paired with a man and reproducing. When those things gets swept out of the picture, nobody (even the women themselves) seem to know what they’re looking at. They start looking for alternative reasons for what they’re seeing.

The common thing is to write lesbianism off as a consequence of abuse, mental illness or arrested development, but I think being “transgender” is just an extension of that line of thinking. TRAs just don’t have the self awareness to realize how misogynistic they are. They see a woman who won’t take dick and won’t make babies, so they figure she must secretly be a man.

The insecure lesbians get snapped up by this ideology because they have no support network to keep them grounded. Their spaces are so routinely plagued by fetishists (including but not limited to transbians) that they have no choice but to either conform to the predatory hivemind or to hack it out alone.
 
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Malagor the dank omen

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I'm finding it harder and harder to really respect people who are anti-LGBT and I'm worried I'll come off an "lol triggered libtard faggot" or something.

Just today I got curious about someone I used to look up to (won't name them, they used to expose people like kphoria and the owner of a sonic porn site), and I stumbled across this video of an LGBT artist from Indonesia's info being leaked and shit, and they were recording / partaking in a server raid, full of really edgy anti-LGBT memes.
Nah, you shouldn't worried about that if that is the case. It means you still have a conscience and morals to hold on to if you see the bad in others while also see the bad in the ones on your own side. For example, for quite a lot of people today i would be a filthy gay bashing bigot even if i think that gay people shouldn't be persecuted for their sexual orientation no matter the reason. Sexual orientation is a part of your life and there is nothing wrong with it as long as you don't fuck with others or you make your entire identity revolve around it.

The thing is that you need to have a line drawn beforehand, even if people tell you how bigoted you are for not accepting increasing levels of degeneracy. Bug chasers? Definetly not. Child Drag Queens? Stop that shit. Transgender demanding to have his balls waxed in a female salon? Point at him and laugh. But the same thing should happen at the other end of the spectrum when persecution or assault on homosexual people happen because of their sexual orientation. I know today we have the habit of carpet bombing an entire demographic and make them the enemy instantly, but you gotta consider that not everyone in said demographic is going to buy into the horrible shit their own do.
They see a woman who won’t take dick and won’t make babies, so they figure she must secretly be a man.

The insecure lesbians get snapped up by this ideology because they have no support network to keep them grounded. Their spaces are so routinely plagued by fetishists (including but not limited to transbians) that they have no choice but to either conform to the predatory hivemind or to hack it out alone.
God forbid a woman makes choices in her life. This is why i'm terribly sad because of a friend since some time ago. She's a lesbian and a fringe SJW and she was constantly worrying about how bad things would get if she denied a transgender person sex because she wasn't into dicks. It's amazing the level of social blackmailing some of them are being subjected to because they buy into the whole thing. Not only they have to accept potentially dangerous fetishists wandering in their own spaces but they also have to risk being socially ostrasized because they want to be consequent with their sexuality.

No wonder that between the pressure and the lack of support they would end up giving up because of the deranged and horrible beliefes of a bunch of troons.

Edit: also i've seen this shit beginning to happen at a smaller scale against gays. Troons complain that gay men prefer to have sex with manly dudes rather than effeminate guys caked up in makeup and prancing around in women clothes. No shit that people have preferences and you cannot deal with the fact that they want other thing than yourself. God, fucking troons are entitled fucking babies.
 
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Deodar

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My personal take is that the LG and B are fine for the most part. Things could be better for their public image if they stopped being such massive hornballs, but I suppose that just comes with the territory.
As for the T, that's where things start getting blurry. The way it seems right now is that the majority of the trans community aren't actually dysphoric, and are riding the trend because muh oppression. Most mtf are massive necrophiliacs and generally sad, while most ftm are fujos. Legitamate, dysphoric trans people, I have sympathy for.
As for so-called "nonbinaries", they're the epitome of the trender cult. There's no bigger "im so special" card than to say that you're some nonexistant third gender. They are a plague and I find it insanely disgusting how far they've managed to push their delusions out into the mainstream, and sincerely hope someone puts them back in line soon.
 

tampon_tornado

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I'm at this point where I can't stand other comics who are LGB. The local comics who are "queer" are mostly just bisexual girls who champion troon rights and once probably kissed a girl for an instagram post. Then there are two gay dudes who make being a faggot their entire personality. I have become closeted around these people because I don't want them to think we're comrades or whatever. But I started thinking about it and most of my gay friends are not very left leaning and you wouldn't know they're gay unless someone else told you because they very much keep their private lives private.

I don't like many successful comics who are gay either, I adore Tim Dillon but he's really the opposite. So many people see him or come across his stuff and it's pretty far into them being fans before they realize he's gay. He has ranted several times about gay comics who make being gay their entire act.

I already tell jokes as if I'm heterosexual because I don't want it to throw people off in either direction. I don't want cheers and I don't want people to feel uncomfortable. I'm pretty sure the quirky queer queens want to make the audience uncomfortable, almost like they just want to be confrontational. Then afterward they blame the audiences when they don't do well. It just fucking sucks that the comedy scene is too small here to avoid them all of the time.
 

Marco Fucko

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My personal take is that the LG and B are fine for the most part. Things could be better for their public image if they stopped being such massive hornballs, but I suppose that just comes with the territory.
As for the T, that's where things start getting blurry. The way it seems right now is that the majority of the trans community aren't actually dysphoric, and are riding the trend because muh oppression. Most mtf are massive necrophiliacs and generally sad, while most ftm are fujos. Legitamate, dysphoric trans people, I have sympathy for.
As for so-called "nonbinaries", they're the epitome of the trender cult. There's no bigger "im so special" card than to say that you're some nonexistant third gender. They are a plague and I find it insanely disgusting how far they've managed to push their delusions out into the mainstream, and sincerely hope someone puts them back in line soon.
We should bring back the Brown Shirts except it's gay dudes and lesbians and Kristallnacht is for trannies and enbies.

Seriously there's this "nonbinary" mtf (?) linked in the Contra thread bitching about Buck Angel and all I could think whenever he mentioned being non binary was "you're an effeminate gay guy, why is this so hard for you to process".

I'd argue gender in and of itself does not truly exist on a spectrum, but that the expression of one's sex does. There are masculine straight woman out there, one of them straight up told me to call her bitch instead of ma'am (I obviously didn't do that). Furthermore, there are effeminate men who lust after and marry women. There are guys who feel like they've become feminized and thus feel the need to overcompensate with displays of masculinity as noted by their cultural perceptions.

This entire discussion around "being something in between" is a distraction and whining for attention, I agree.
 

AlexJonesGotMePregnant

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We should bring back the Brown Shirts except it's gay dudes and lesbians and Kristallnacht is for trannies and enbies.

Seriously there's this "nonbinary" mtf (?) linked in the Contra thread bitching about Buck Angel and all I could think whenever he mentioned being non binary was "you're an effeminate gay guy, why is this so hard for you to process".

I'd argue gender in and of itself does not truly exist on a spectrum, but that the expression of one's sex does. There are masculine straight woman out there, one of them straight up told me to call her bitch instead of ma'am (I obviously didn't do that). Furthermore, there are effeminate men who lust after and marry women. There are guys who feel like they've become feminized and thus feel the need to overcompensate with displays of masculinity as noted by their cultural perceptions.

This entire discussion around "being something in between" is a distraction and whining for attention, I agree.
I will attend a drag show if and only if the lead performer is named Kristallnacht and they are a nazi drag führer.
 

AlexJonesGotMePregnant

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Why does the modern day LGBT movement supports Muslims and do LGBT pride parades actually benefit your community or push it back?
because the modern LGBT movement is just a bunch of socially exceptional fetishists, most actual homosexuals have already left it. it is a market segment and irrelevant to anyone other than advertisers.
 

raritycat

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Over the past couple years, I've lost all my sympathy for HIV+ gay & bi men (and trannies). I followed one online and it gave me insight into how moronic these guys truly are. They all blame the guy who pozzed them for their HIV, but even after most of them continue to have unprotected sex to the point of insisting on it. Did you not learn anything from your sit down in the clinic where they told you that you'd be on medication for life? They create this dichotomy in their heads where they are the poor, poz victim and the guy they got it from is the evil, poz abuser when they engage in the exact same behaviour as the latter (Jonathan Van Ness is a good example of this).

Not to mention how arrogant they get about negative guys getting on PrEP. "If you truly want to protect yourself, you should take this drug." No. I will take medication if a condom breaks to protect myself, but I won't do this shit for life. Just because we fuck other dudes doesn't mean HIV is the only disease we need to worry about; I'm not shredding my kidneys and liver for you.
 

AlexJonesGotMePregnant

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Over the past couple years, I've lost all my sympathy for HIV+ gay & bi men (and trannies). I followed one online and it gave me insight into how moronic these guys truly are. They all blame the guy who pozzed them for their HIV, but even after most of them continue to have unprotected sex to the point of insisting on it. Did you not learn anything from your sit down in the clinic where they told you that you'd be on medication for life? They create this dichotomy in their heads where they are the poor, poz victim and the guy they got it from is the evil, poz abuser when they engage in the exact same behaviour as the latter (Jonathan Van Ness is a good example of this).

Not to mention how arrogant they get about negative guys getting on PrEP. "If you truly want to protect yourself, you should take this drug." No. I will take medication if a condom breaks to protect myself, but I won't do this shit for life. Just because we fuck other dudes doesn't mean HIV is the only disease we need to worry about; I'm not shredding my kidneys and liver for you.
If you don't gargle HIV+ sperm on a regular basis then you are a homophobic straight male and you should be murdered by the government for your bigotry
 
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Kacchan

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Why does the modern day LGBT movement supports Muslims and do LGBT pride parades actually benefit your community or push it back?
That's like straight up believing the LGBT movement wants pedophiles in their pride parades when that's just straight up 4chan peddling hoaxes. The LGBT movement couldn't be any more horrified that pedophiles want a space in here and kindly tell the pedophiles to fuck off.

(yes, I'm aware NAMBLA has tried getting in there before, but that ended in them getting told to fuck right off, so it kind of doesn't count in a way)
 
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A Humble Ewok

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We should bring back the Brown Shirts except it's gay dudes
The Brown Shirts were gay though.
i always wondered why i found girls sexually attractive but didn't consider myself lesbian till i learned about bisexuality being a thing
i always wondered why i found traps sexually attractive but didn't consider myself gay till i learned about bisexuality being a thing
 
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